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Co-founding a company

Consider:

He later with Fran Tarkenton co-founded KnowledgeWare.

1) I presume a better word order exists, but could this sentence ever be acceptable or is it just outright wrong?

Adding commas it is still awkward, I think:

He later, with Fran Tarkenton, co-founded KnowledgeWare.

2) What would be a better order or different sentence?

I have come up with:

Later, he and Fran Tarkenton founded KnowledgeWare.

I don't think it is necessary to use co-founded as it is already clear that there is more than one founder.

Context.

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donald remero [ Moderator ]

I would say, yes, the original sentence is awkward, but given the current trend towards the minimal use of commas, it would certainly be 'acceptable,' where acceptable means 'not necessarily incorrect.'

The first correction works just fine. However, I would probably choose to offset "later with Fran Tarkenton" as a parenthetical remark in commas. Either way, or even moving "later" to the first of the sentence, I think a decent argument is made for retaining "co-founder" because, technically, the base sentence should be treated in grammar and diction as though the parenthetical remark does not exist.

I agree that the second correction is the best and most efficient, and that it does not require the use of "co-founded" because "founded" as the verb of the compound subject does in fact make the case perfectly clear -- to the extent that these two were the only two founders. If there were seven founders and the point of the larger narrative is to cover a particular relationship with Fran Tarkenton, then treating both of them, together or separate, as "co-founders" might be the more accurate thing to do. (I'm not sure. I can see how "co-founders vs. founders" is probably a distinction without a difference in most and perhaps even in all cases. I'm actually quite comfortable with that point of view.)

Notice, also, that there is a choice here in emphasis as well as word economy and rhythm as to whether Fran Tarkenton's involvement is a) parenthetical or b) an explicit part of the sentence. This difference is, to be sure, subtle, but it is a consideration that is certainly of equal or greater weight than the subtlety of where to place the adverb "later."

By the way, most editors of technical writing and 'international English' (whatever that may actually be) agree that qualifiers such as "later" are, in fact, best placed at the beginning of the sentence.

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peter mortensen
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Remero: Regarding seven founders: do you mean some founders could be more equal than others? For example James Martin and Fran Tarkenton?

peter mortensen
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Remoro: I have some trouble making sense of this part: “then treating the both of them, together or separate, would be the only accurate thing to do.”. Or maybe I should get some sleep first.

peter mortensen
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Remoro: OK, so “founded” implies that there are only two founders (in this particular case)?

donald remero
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: Yeah, taking for granted that we are splitting hairs to begin with, that last is what I’m thinking. “X and Y were co-founders of Z-corp, along with the I-group headed by Mr. T.” BUT, what does it really matter? I’m not sure. If you are a founder, you are a founder. I can buy that too. =)

peter mortensen
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Remero: “an distinction” –> “a distinction”. “the both” –> “both” (?)

peter mortensen
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Remero: “a distinction without a difference”. I like that. I have put it into my list of quotes. An old but almost new version of this list can found at drmortensen.eu/notes.html, near “Netscape setup”. I have also elimited a few redundant entries.

donald remero
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: I picked that phrase up from an attorney (solicitor) friend. Apparently, it is commonly used within the legal profession. … additional context for what it’s worth. =)

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petroff

I think the original from Wikipedia sounds a little odd:

He later with Fran Tarkenton co-founded KnowledgeWare, a software company, and he founded Database Design Inc. (DDI).

I would re-write it as follows (assuming events took place in this order):

He founded a software company Database Design Inc. (DDI), and later with Fran Tarkenton co-founded KnowledgeWare.

or the shorter version you provided as an example:

He and Fran Tarkenton later co-founded KnowledgeWare.

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