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Evolution of human languages

After reading "The Power of Babel - A Natural History of Language" by John Mcwhorter (2003) it left me with a question whether with time (over millenia) all human languages are getting grammatically simpler - fewer cases, fewer exceptions, loss of genders, loss of dual number, etc.

I mean only languages and time periods till now for which grammars are known! My question is not about prehistory of languages and how languages came into being!

Is there any known language getting more cases, more genders, dual number without having it before?

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donald remero [ Moderator ]

Is there any known [contemporary] languages getting more cases, more genders, dual number without having it before?

No. There is nothing like this that we can see right now.

Cantonese and other Chinese languages seem to have continued to grow in complexity since the branching off of Mandarin. This might be the best candidate for further inquiry, but I actually don't know much about it.

John McWhorter himself, here, seems to think (or at least he did in 2003) that the common notion that languages "naturally" loose inflections and other grammatical components over time is not accurate. The transformation of Latin into the 'simpler' Romance languages and the various transitions from Old English to modern English were likely not as 'natural' or relatively passive changes as most have blindly assumed.

If it is the case that all languages "naturally" decay in grammatical complexity, McWhorter asks Why then are there so many instances in which languages have not done this? Examples include over 500 Bantu languages, the native languages of North America, native languages of Australia, and even proper Sinitic (Chinese) languages (that is, excluding Mandarin) -- none of which have ever spun off a stripped-down version of themselves.

Smarter linguists looking past the idea that simplifications of language "just happen" are asking questions about what the exact mechanisms for such change might be. Consider this comment from the source cited above.

The evidence suggests that the post-Neolithic "punctuations" that Bob Dixon describes in human languages' timelines have often sheared away a degree of languages' "mess" as they were imposed on adult speakers and passed down in abbreviated form to succeeding generations. Mandarin's mysteriously compact four tones would be a similar case, it having been adopted by Mongol invaders while Cantonese and the rest of the brood mutated uninterrupted, developing the eight and nine tones typical of the "card-carrying" Sinitic language.

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mikhail
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Thanks for the link. Still some questions: 1. “Cantonese and other Chinese languages seem to have continued to grow in complexity”. Do you mean grammatical complexity? 2. Why do you say “known [contemporary] languages”. Do you mean all languages (also extinct) with known grammar?

donald remero
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1) Yes. 2) Yes. To the extent I know, the accrual of “grammatical” prefixes, suffixes, and other linguistic markers that are micro-contextually determined on case, tense, gender, etc. have reached their apexes outside of written language. Therefore, we do not have specific examples to rely upon. But again, rest assured that we assume all languages have “developed” and therefore we are constrained also to assume that the accrual of ‘grammatical junk’ was, in fact, also a process. However, there might be concrete examples to find looking more closely at the Chinese languages.

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donald remero [ Moderator ]

Interesting question.
Here's the deal:

1) What we are talking about with the concept of "in time" how core languages are changing has primarily to do with population and the evolution of mass media for sharing such languages. To the extent that you are willing to see a diminution of the complexity of "a language" as such, you are also necessarily going down the same path as people like Marshall McLuhan who have been thinking of mass media in terms of, well, to quote the cliche: *the medium is the message [massage]."

When we talk about "millennia," we have evidence of language in writing on any meaningful scale going back only six thousand years. Alphabet-based writing going back only just over five thousand. So, the simple observation that contradicts the notion that "all languages get grammatically simpler" is that languages must be developed in the first place. They are not creatio ex nihilo as the invocation of the Story of the Tower of Babel implies.

Therefore:

2) It should not be forgotten that language itself in the past has necessarily grown in complexity in all kinds of different ways (from "ug!" to "ug! ug!", that is counting, and beyond to the Egyptian alphabet), and that whatever mythical notion of a point in time such as the "Tower of Babel" might have existed, one must keep in mind that it is but a myth.

I would strongly caution against romanticizing a past by which the only way we know it is by upper-class speech (and the media by which it was recorded). There is in fact no evidence that I can discern that our present-day upper-classes have lost any amount of focus whatsoever on the degree to which the complexity (and rigidness) of grammar to this day serves as not merely a 'class differentiator' but a real-world competitive advantage in manipulating the mass cultural symbols (as I like to say) by which all of us adjudicate all things within language -- from the law to lightest nuances of public rhetoric that sway mass opinion (from politics to commerce and the advertising of them both).

Nevertheless, even privileged speech is moving more toward simplicity at the current time than away from it. I am not aware of any observation or research that would say our modern languages are not growing simpler, generally. There are number of reasons why this is so having largely to do with 1) the limits and demands of the technological media that we use to convey media to large audiences and 2) changes in cognitive assumptions upon which foundational distinctions are made, animate vs. inanimate, gender, etc. that as little as 1500 years ago seemed very important, but do not appear to be of much consequence today.

But these things are not inherent to "language" per se, so the troubling thing about your question is that it is more complex than it seems. To the extent that it is a law of nature that if you drive a car with wooden, octagonal wheels far enough, the corners of the wheels will become increasingly rounded, then I think it is fair to say that linguistic codes are the same as they are used and reused and shared among wider audiences. But what does that really mean? To say that it is a law of nature that all octagons eventually become circles is false. Therefore, I say similarly that to say that it is a law of nature that languages necessarily grow simpler over time is false.

[Biographical comment about the McWhorter removed, because it was not relevant.]

Comment from Mikhail

Sorry, but I am not satisfied with your answer. 1. I am not talking about complexity of "a language" but about complexity of the grammar. 2 "Story of the Tower of Babel" is just the name of the book, not its content. 3 Who is romanticizing what? 4. Does "mass media" or "upper-class speech" can be applied to hunters-gathers (my question is about change over millenia)? 5. If all evidences points that all grammars get simpler over time than scientifically speaking it is a law of nature, isn't it? – Mikhail Aug. 14, 2010

Reply: Ah! Now this is a conversation! I believe that you have yet to fully digest the concept of the development of languages and grammar in the first place. If you reject the 'creatio ex nihilo' concept of language, which scientifically, I believe you must, then one is constrained to say also that "some grammars get more complex over time."

There is a flaw in the nature of your question itself that must be grappled with. At best, all you are going to be able to assert is that there is a relative threshold of complexity for the grammar human languages that after reached tends to subside. And then there will be a point at which an equilibrium is reached. I think the notion that it could be a natural law that they continue through millennia to get simpler until we don't say anything any more is easily rejected out of hand.

One must also consider that the discipline of the study of grammar as we know it today does not actually possess the fixed framework for comparison that we have historically imagined. Grammar is in fact only a discipline about our ability to describe language, and our ability to describe language as having "grammatical modes and properties" has changed and morphed dramatically in recent years. Grammatical inquiry, especially in English, has historically been Latin-centric, and rigidly so. But today, any decent contemporary linguist is quite at home talking about multiple grammars. Discussing "natural law" in this context is inherently a dicey proposition once we dare venture outside the narrow constraints of ancient Latin.

Regarding hunter-gatherers and privileged speech. Yes, absolutely, it applies. And my point about it applies to an inherent inability to accurately assess supposedly "decayed" or "fallen" adherence to grammatical convention based on the fact that the technology for preserving language has not been available to "the masses" until very recently. You simply cannot assess change over millennia if you do not have accurate data or are not comparing apples to apples.

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peter mortensen
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Near: “really is (whatever it is) is does”

peter mortensen
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What is “fixed scales of degree and comparison”?

peter mortensen
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Remero: it reads fine. Perhaps “also consider” instead of “consider also” (I am not sure).

mikhail
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Thank you for this long response! Sorry, but you do not really answer my question! So I re-edited it.

donald remero
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You are likely still not to be satisfied completely with the clarification of my answer, but I have tried to make what I’m saying about the general nature of the question itself more clear.

mikhail
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Sorry, but I am satisfied with your answer. 1. I am not talking about complexity of “a language” but about complexity of the grammar. 2 “Story of the Tower of Babel” is just the name of the book, not its content. 3 Who is romanticizing what? 4. Do really “mass media” or “upper-class speech” can be applied to hunters-gathers (my question is questioned about change over millenia)? 5. If all evidences points that all grammatics get simpler over time than scientifically speaking it is a law of nature

mikhail
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Sorry, but I am satisfied with your answer. 1. I am not talking about complexity of “a language” but about complexity of the grammar. 2 “Story of the Tower of Babel” is just the name of the book, not its content. 3 Who is romanticizing what? 4. Does “mass media” or “upper-class speech” can be applied to hunters-gathers (my question is about change over millenia)? 5. If all evidences points that all grammatics get simpler over time than scientifically speaking it is a law of nature.

mikhail
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  1. Your assertion “language itself in the past has necessarily grown in complexity” is pure speculation without any scientific or logic evidence. I am asking about languages with known grammar over past millenia.
mikhail
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Sorry, but I am not satisfied with your answer. 1. I am not talking about complexity of “a language” but about complexity of the grammar. 2 “Story of the Tower of Babel” is just the name of the book, not its content. 3 Who is romanticizing what? 4. Does “mass media” or “upper-class speech” can be applied to hunters-gathers (my question is about change over millenia)? 5. If all evidences points that all grammars get simpler over time than scientifically speaking it is a law of nature, isn’t it?

donald remero
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Ah! Now this is a conversation! You have yet to fully digest the concept of the development of languages and grammar in the first place. If you reject the ‘creatio ex nihilo’ concept of language, which scientifically, I believe you must, then one is constrained to say also that “some grammars get more complex over time.” There is a flaw in the nature of your question itself that must be grappled with. At best, all you are going to be able to assert is that there is a relative threshold of complexity for grammar human languages that after reached tends to subside.

donald remero
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More specifically: Consider also that what grammar really is (whatever it is) is bare the notion of the fixed scales of degree and comparison that we have historically imagined. It is in fact only a discipline about our ability to describe language, and that ability to describe language as having “grammatical modes and properties” has changed and morphed dramatically in recent years to where any decent contemporary linguist is quite at home talking about multiple grammars. Discussing “natural law” in this context is inherently a dicey proposition.

donald remero
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Regarding hunter-gatherers and privileged speech. Yes, absolutely it applies. And my point applies to an inherent inability to accurately assess supposedly “decayed” or “fallen” adherence to grammatical convention based on the fact that the technology for preserving language has not been available to “the masses” until very recently. You simply cannot assess change over millennia if you do not have accurate data or are not comparing apples to apples.

donald remero
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I moved my last answers from the comments up into the main answer. For one thing, I as then able to edit my typos. =)

donald remero
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I moved my last answers from the comments up into the main answer. For one thing, I was then able to edit my typos. =)

donald remero
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Mortensen: I’ve attempted to fix this up to make it more clear. Hopefully is better now and not worse, although I’m sure I’ve introduced at least on new mistake in doing so.

mikhail
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: Thank you very much for so much information, but I still do not get it! I made my question more precise. Could you please answer exactly my question in just max 5 sentences posting it as a new answer? Thank you very much!

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